DUST Search - IGN Livestream concern for future of Dust 514

charlesnette dalari wrote:

Morbid Spirit wrote:

Treemugger wrote:

^ The PS4 will only be able to play PS3 games over Gaikai. The PS4 itself is not compatible. Thing is, it's only something they "plan on" doing. They never actually confirmed that PS3 games will be on Gaikai.

EDIT: Ninja'd by five people...

Well there you go that emphasis my point even more, and this is what the developer said on the ign livestream of what they were considering

First of all I want to clear up a very important distinction of who was on the live stream with IGN. He is not a developer he is the marketing officer for CCP and quite frankly I wouldn't give pretty much anything he said a second thought since when asked when we will get scopes his response was "wow that's a great idea". Unfortunately Mr Reid is woefully out of touch with the game he is promoting considering the actual developers have told us months ago that weapon customization including scopes is already being worked on. So I wouldn't let his apparent lack of understanding of the games direction a year from now bother you since he doesn't even seem to know the current state of the game.

The really sad part is I think this marketing event had a more harmful affect to the games PR than positive since anyone who hasn't played dust comes away with the impression that CCP has no idea scopes on rifles in a FPS is a good idea or as you were given the impression that dust will be stuck on ps3. I really hope CCP does some damage control here to fix the misinformation passed on to potential players by the companies Chief Marketing Officer. A truly wonderful game can be destroyed by terrible marketing and this event makes me worry.


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Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:24:00 - [1] - Quote During his response in terms of the ps4 he only talked about brining it possibly through gaikai and he seems to think that dust 514 will live on the ps3 just fine like how eve has survived on the pc, but i think he seems to forget that with pc people and always upgrading and the ps3 has it's limits. My fear is that with that kind of attitude people might forget about this game within a year's time when the next gen consoles are out and people are playing other games. I think they seriously need to look at even just porting it over to ps4 without any graphical upgrades because since ps4 isnt backwards compatible are people really going to keep a ps3 when they already have a ps4? For sure some people will but the majority will switch to ps4 and thus a vast player base is gone since it's a ps3 exclusive and soon enough after ps4 is out i can see the game dying out and people forgetting about it unless a ps4 port is made.
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:28:00 - [2] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Pretty sure I heard the Ps4 people say you could play anything from ps3 on the ps4... Is that what you are asking? The developer during the livestream said they are solely focused on the ps3 version but will look at bringing it over to the ps4 through gaikai possibly which is a long time away
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Seriously who would move to buy a brand new console the moment it comes out? Give it some time for the problems to be fixed and for there to be a good game library. Thats my thoughts. PS3 will keep me happy for a couple more years before I start to consider the move. You are a small minority of people, after The Last of Us and GTA 5 there is nothing comming for ps3 really, atm every sony developer is focused on games for the ps4 and you will only a small trickle of third party games come out for ps3, so i dont know why people would not buy a ps4 if the majority of games will be comming out for that , was the same for ps2-ps3 migration
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:43:00 - [4] - Quote Treemugger wrote: ^ The PS4 will only be able to play PS3 games over Gaikai. The PS4 itself is not compatible. Thing is, it's only something they "plan on" doing. They never actually confirmed that PS3 games will be on Gaikai. EDIT: Ninja'd by five people... Well there you go that emphasis my point even more, and this is what the developer said on the ign livestream of what they were considering
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2013.02.27 21:53:00 - [5] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Seriously who would move to buy a brand new console the moment it comes out? Give it some time for the problems to be fixed and for there to be a good game library. Thats my thoughts. PS3 will keep me happy for a couple more years before I start to consider the move. Yeah, I'm going to repeat what I did at the start of the current generation and give the consoles a year to ripen before purchasing. (Only this time I'll be doing it by choice.) It's not like I've even come close to playing everything currently available. I haven't even started Mass Effect 1 yet. Early adopters = necessary suckers. That's fair enough but you need to look at it from the masses point of view, free to play games work on the basis of having allot of people playing it as it opens the game up for everyone on ps3 to come and play it, fact is when ps4 is launched at least 60% of ps3 users will sell their ps3 and switch to ps4 (my estimate) and thus you lose a big chunk of ps3 players, and considering this game is only on ps3, youve lost a massive potential player base.
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:13:00 - [6] - Quote charlesnette dalari wrote: Morbid Spirit wrote: Treemugger wrote: ^ The PS4 will only be able to play PS3 games over Gaikai. The PS4 itself is not compatible. Thing is, it's only something they "plan on" doing. They never actually confirmed that PS3 games will be on Gaikai. EDIT: Ninja'd by five people... Well there you go that emphasis my point even more, and this is what the developer said on the ign livestream of what they were considering First of all I want to clear up a very important distinction of who was on the live stream with IGN. He is not a developer he is the marketing officer for CCP and quite frankly I wouldn't give pretty much anything he said a second thought since when asked when we will get scopes his response was "wow that's a great idea". Unfortunately Mr Reid is woefully out of touch with the game he is promoting considering the actual developers have told us months ago that weapon customization including scopes is already being worked on. So I wouldn't let his apparent lack of understanding of the games direction a year from now bother you since he doesn't even seem to know the current state of the game. The really sad part is I think this marketing event had a more harmful affect to the games PR than positive since anyone who hasn't played dust comes away with the impression that CCP has no idea scopes on rifles in a FPS is a good idea or as you were given the impression that dust will be stuck on ps3. I really hope CCP does some damage control here to fix the misinformation passed on to potential players by the companies Chief Marketing Officer. A truly wonderful game can be destroyed by terrible marketing and this event makes me worry. I agree with you 100% man and looking back at the live stream, it was the IGN host that said he was a developer but yet on the subtitles indeed said chief marketing officer, but as you said if he is the chief marketing officer he is poorly in touch with the state of the games development so CCP really need to find someone better and delivering a better marketing strategy because like you said i think this actually did more harm than good in the overall scope of things.
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 17	Posted - 2013.02.28 09:31:00 - [7] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: who sayd that the support is going to drop on the PS3? Sure the PS4 is coming later on this year but who gives a damn? Not excited to get a PS4 at launch day only to play another COD. And dust doesnt has reached its limit yet. Look at the graphics there is still alot of space to improve even if it stays on PS3. Another thing is alot of games have beeing made for PS2 after the PS3 came out. So new titles will be avaible for like 1-2 years on both systems. Simply due to the fact that there are tons of consoles out there and missing out the opportunity to make money would be a very dumb move. And PSN will remain avaible on the PS3. Another thing is experienced console players wont buy at the launch day due to problems with the hardware. Alot of day 1 consoles die usually faster then their counterparts which come out later. Well i can allready tell its going to be like this: -PS4 with alot of fancy functions (fat variant) -PS4 with less functions but cheaper -PS4 slim -PS4 ultra slim -next gen console This is the natural evolution of consoles at the moment. And that the PS4 is coming out on the holiday season this year i will expect the obvious COD bundle with modern campfare 4. I don't think you're going to see the same sort of problem as we did with the ps3 or xbox 360 this time around, in the ps4's case is basicly a pc, this time there's no complicated cell processor's or even the difficulties with blu-ray drives or discs, these are things which have all been ironed out, it's just an overlocked pc and like the other guy said this game is built on the unreal engine which is the easiest engine to transition between being such an open and develop friendly toolkit. As i said i'm not looking for a graphically improved ps4 version of dust or anything, just port to ps4 version perhaps within a year of the ps4 comming out perhaps, if they said that, it would give me great confidence for the future, then you would have the playerbase. If you don't have that influx on new players comming in the game becomes and elitist game run by a certain amount of corporations and while that is perfectly fine for the pc space, i don't think it holds up in the console space, CCP are slightly naive in terms of first of all making a ps3 exclusive but then not accepting that realising a ps4 port will need to be made aswell. When you look at a game like Destiny, although some people may not think it, it's a close competitor, bungie realised the need to have a multiplatform game in order to sustain and have a big player base which gives me confidence in how that game is being managed, i probably won't be playing that game, but i think CCP or whoever in charge of the Dust 514 side needs to give us a similiar level of confidence that they understand the importance of a player base, especially with being a playstation exclusive.
Morbid Spirit Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 17	Posted - 2013.03.01 14:56:00 - [8] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: if CCP are not developing for the ps4 they have really really dropped the ball here. admitly for the first year or two it will be a none issue. but after a while if they dont catch up they will suddenly find their playerbase is gone. consols are not PC, once you get a new one most people ditched the old the one dont treat them the same Noc Tempre wrote: If DUST isn't running PS4 native within 1 year of console launch it's game over. Honestly it should be running day 1 if they want any chance of playerbase retention. Exactly, and my worry is that with CCP being obviously great in the PC space that they might fail to understand the concepts of what they need to do in the console space, if they haven't already thought about this transition it's very worrying and sooner or later they will be forced to either be multi-platform or be out on the ps4 within a year at least as i said, but if they wait that long they will lose allot of players and only the small core will remain, which isn't viable for a free-to-play game.